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	<title>Comments on: some thoughts on intention</title>
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		<title>By: benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.roestudios.com/b-log/2008/07/some-thoughts-on-intention/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A paraphrase of something that I wrote in my posts about Kenneth Miller&#039;s views:

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If sin and free will are matters for the body, then being a Christian is a waste of time, as the soul is nothing but myth, and there&#039;s nothing Christ needed to save us from.

If sin and free will are matters for the soul, but the soul develops naturalistically, then the burden of proof is on the Naturalist to prove that the soul even exists, and how it comes to be. He will then have the difficult task of explaining how it is this naturalistic soul can even &lt;i&gt;be saved unto a supernatural paradise&lt;/i&gt;, or why this naturalistic soul even needs saving at all (as death would simply be the end, with no eternity to worry about).

Christians must believe in the supernatural (Christ being God, rising from the dead, ascending into heaven), and I would argue that &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; believing in the supernatural would pose an immovable barrier. How could the skeptic accept the very basics of the faith?

One cannot interface the supernatural in us with the natural in us – one cannot make sense of what the Scriptures say about us – unless we concede that some of what makes us human is inscrutable by science; I firmly agree with Gould&#039;s Nonoverlapping Magisteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A paraphrase of something that I wrote in my posts about Kenneth Miller&#8217;s views:</p>
<p>* * * * *</p>
<p>If sin and free will are matters for the body, then being a Christian is a waste of time, as the soul is nothing but myth, and there&#8217;s nothing Christ needed to save us from.</p>
<p>If sin and free will are matters for the soul, but the soul develops naturalistically, then the burden of proof is on the Naturalist to prove that the soul even exists, and how it comes to be. He will then have the difficult task of explaining how it is this naturalistic soul can even <i>be saved unto a supernatural paradise</i>, or why this naturalistic soul even needs saving at all (as death would simply be the end, with no eternity to worry about).</p>
<p>Christians must believe in the supernatural (Christ being God, rising from the dead, ascending into heaven), and I would argue that <i>not</i> believing in the supernatural would pose an immovable barrier. How could the skeptic accept the very basics of the faith?</p>
<p>One cannot interface the supernatural in us with the natural in us – one cannot make sense of what the Scriptures say about us – unless we concede that some of what makes us human is inscrutable by science; I firmly agree with Gould&#8217;s Nonoverlapping Magisteria.</p>
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		<title>By: benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.roestudios.com/b-log/2008/07/some-thoughts-on-intention/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for reading.

You might very well be right – we can’t ultimately know. But what I’m getting at, essentially, is the soul.

The Intender and the foundation of consciousness, I believe, lies in the realm of soul.

But who knows, maybe the soul &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; physical in a way we can’t understand – we tend to think it’s rather Ghost like, but perhaps it’s not. Still, my intuition is that this part of us is &lt;i&gt;super&lt;/i&gt;natural (as the Father is, as the Spirit is, and though incarnate, as the Son is). That we share in an Otherness that does not cooperate too kindly with microscopes and spectrometers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for reading.</p>
<p>You might very well be right – we can’t ultimately know. But what I’m getting at, essentially, is the soul.</p>
<p>The Intender and the foundation of consciousness, I believe, lies in the realm of soul.</p>
<p>But who knows, maybe the soul <b>is</b> physical in a way we can’t understand – we tend to think it’s rather Ghost like, but perhaps it’s not. Still, my intuition is that this part of us is <i>super</i>natural (as the Father is, as the Spirit is, and though incarnate, as the Son is). That we share in an Otherness that does not cooperate too kindly with microscopes and spectrometers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mind the Gaps &#171; City of God</title>
		<link>http://www.roestudios.com/b-log/2008/07/some-thoughts-on-intention/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Mind the Gaps &#171; City of God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the&#160;Gaps    Ben posted a little about the conscious mind here and what makes it what it is. I&#8217;m not going to treat that subject here (there are libraries [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the&nbsp;Gaps    Ben posted a little about the conscious mind here and what makes it what it is. I&#8217;m not going to treat that subject here (there are libraries [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.roestudios.com/b-log/2008/07/some-thoughts-on-intention/comment-page-1/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re getting into the edges of the discussion of what consciousness is and why we have it. It&#039;s one of those things that&#039;s still baffling to those looking at the problem. It may not remain so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re getting into the edges of the discussion of what consciousness is and why we have it. It&#8217;s one of those things that&#8217;s still baffling to those looking at the problem. It may not remain so.</p>
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